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		<title>By: Does Health Intelligence Require Intelligent Health? - Alive Is Good</title>
		<link>http://www.ciorant.net/2009/06/does-business-intelligence-require-intelligent-business/comment-page-1/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Does Health Intelligence Require Intelligent Health? - Alive Is Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first posed by my father, George Tomko, in his blog ciorant.  Obviously as an IT professional in the tri-decade club the usages situate on opposite ends of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Cousineau</title>
		<link>http://www.ciorant.net/2009/06/does-business-intelligence-require-intelligent-business/comment-page-1/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cousineau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George: Both your post + the question it asks are thought provoking. My feedback, a bit provoked, hopefully a bit thoughtful:

1/ despite the orgy of data that&#039;s now digitized, IMO there&#039;s still a daunting lack of data on outcomes. Such data are much rarer than data on inputs + inventory. Hard to optimize the intelligence of a business when the picture of what&#039;s going on is incomplete. Some of its incompleteness, I agree, is due to the inability of systems to &#039;speak a common language&#039;. Some, however, is due to a lack of needed measurement of other things.

2/ analyzing becomes easier with the clarity of a business&#039; picture of what&#039;s going on. People (and the businesses they work for) can suddenly become incredibly intelligent when armed with info on the outcomes they&#039;re producing from the work that they&#039;re doing.

3/ dissemination is impeded less by a lack of data standards for doing so than by its perceived marginal value. Once the value of what&#039;s been analyzed is much higher, dissemination challenges will fade. 

4/ the truly intelligent business is one that overcomes the above challenges and, in so doing provokes amongst its workers the continuous learning needed with which to gain front-line wisdom. When work done is done with craftsmanship (borne of wisdom + gained from learning), firms make better things + make things better.

Thanks for making me think. Hopefully some of my thinking will add value to yours.


John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George: Both your post + the question it asks are thought provoking. My feedback, a bit provoked, hopefully a bit thoughtful:</p>
<p>1/ despite the orgy of data that&#8217;s now digitized, IMO there&#8217;s still a daunting lack of data on outcomes. Such data are much rarer than data on inputs + inventory. Hard to optimize the intelligence of a business when the picture of what&#8217;s going on is incomplete. Some of its incompleteness, I agree, is due to the inability of systems to &#8217;speak a common language&#8217;. Some, however, is due to a lack of needed measurement of other things.</p>
<p>2/ analyzing becomes easier with the clarity of a business&#8217; picture of what&#8217;s going on. People (and the businesses they work for) can suddenly become incredibly intelligent when armed with info on the outcomes they&#8217;re producing from the work that they&#8217;re doing.</p>
<p>3/ dissemination is impeded less by a lack of data standards for doing so than by its perceived marginal value. Once the value of what&#8217;s been analyzed is much higher, dissemination challenges will fade. </p>
<p>4/ the truly intelligent business is one that overcomes the above challenges and, in so doing provokes amongst its workers the continuous learning needed with which to gain front-line wisdom. When work done is done with craftsmanship (borne of wisdom + gained from learning), firms make better things + make things better.</p>
<p>Thanks for making me think. Hopefully some of my thinking will add value to yours.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: charlie rein</title>
		<link>http://www.ciorant.net/2009/06/does-business-intelligence-require-intelligent-business/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>charlie rein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see you worked at Hess Holidays evenings saturday sundays, and Monsanto two of my clients for my ChE recruiting days.  Great article about the  newest three letter acronyms of the IT world. As a recruiter I am given the unfill-able BI job descriptions, create a definition, but don&#039;t take into consideration the actual availability of real people. thanks for the knowledge.

I can imagine what the specs for a C Wisdom O</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see you worked at Hess Holidays evenings saturday sundays, and Monsanto two of my clients for my ChE recruiting days.  Great article about the  newest three letter acronyms of the IT world. As a recruiter I am given the unfill-able BI job descriptions, create a definition, but don&#8217;t take into consideration the actual availability of real people. thanks for the knowledge.</p>
<p>I can imagine what the specs for a C Wisdom O</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.ciorant.net/2009/06/does-business-intelligence-require-intelligent-business/comment-page-1/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long,

I liked the diagram as well.

Peter</description>
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<p>I liked the diagram as well.</p>
<p>Peter</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George,

Thought-provoking article. Thank you for the quote / link, which I have reciprocated at: 

http://peterthomas.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/does-business-intelligence-require-intelligent-business-by-george-m-tomko/

Peter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,</p>
<p>Thought-provoking article. Thank you for the quote / link, which I have reciprocated at: </p>
<p><a href="http://peterthomas.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/does-business-intelligence-require-intelligent-business-by-george-m-tomko/" rel="nofollow">http://peterthomas.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/does-business-intelligence-require-intelligent-business-by-george-m-tomko/</a></p>
<p>Peter</p>
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		<title>By: Long Huynh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Long Huynh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your reservation about Gerry Davis&#039; recommendation to name yet another Executive as the solution. Organizations have a convenient yet sad tendency to think that one person could solve a systemic problem.

I also love your chart. It&#039;s richer in context that the one from Gene Bellinger, Durval Castro and Anthony Mills of systems-thinking.org. My only comment is about the inclusion of Wisdom as the next step after Knowledge. You may sense that already by putting &quot;Wisdom&quot; in quotes. To me, there are something else between K and W. Intelligence is one of them.

A Knowledgeable business is not always an Intellligent one. Likewise, an Intelligent business is not necessarily a Wise one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your reservation about Gerry Davis&#8217; recommendation to name yet another Executive as the solution. Organizations have a convenient yet sad tendency to think that one person could solve a systemic problem.</p>
<p>I also love your chart. It&#8217;s richer in context that the one from Gene Bellinger, Durval Castro and Anthony Mills of systems-thinking.org. My only comment is about the inclusion of Wisdom as the next step after Knowledge. You may sense that already by putting &#8220;Wisdom&#8221; in quotes. To me, there are something else between K and W. Intelligence is one of them.</p>
<p>A Knowledgeable business is not always an Intellligent one. Likewise, an Intelligent business is not necessarily a Wise one.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Does Business Intelligence Require Intelligent Business?&#8221; by George M. Tomko &#171; Peter Thomas &#8211; Award-winning Business Intelligence and Cultural Transformation Expert</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Does Business Intelligence Require Intelligent Business?&#8221; by George M. Tomko &#171; Peter Thomas &#8211; Award-winning Business Intelligence and Cultural Transformation Expert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] latest blog post is is on a subject that is clearly close to my heart and is entitled Does Business Intelligence Require Intelligent Business?. I should also thank him for quoting my earlier artcile, Data – Information – Knowledge – [...]</description>
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